alex ostos
02-08-2009, 09:10 PM
Para los que sepa de este pedo, tengo una duda.
Me dieron la tarea de pasar un avión con alguna manta o anuncio atrás de el, claramente remolcándolo.
Esto va a ser en la inauguración del gimnasio Rock Sport que va a estar dentro del nuevo estadio Santos Modelo Corona o como madres se vaya a llamar esta nueva cárcel para toda la naquiza santista; donde el mismo gimnasio tiene una pared de vidrio que da a toda la cancha del nuevo estadio Corona y ahí es donde va a pasar el avión con su anuncio atrás. Tengo aviones grandes que puedan hacer el trabajo, como un extra 42%, una piper 1/4 scala, extras 100 cc`s y 50 cc`s. ¿Qué me pueden recomendar para no darle en la madre al avión? ¿Se usan solo avionetas con mucha área alar? o un avion con mucho ceneno de motor?????
Alguien a parte de remolcar aviones ha remolcado anuncios???
Les agradecería su ayuda, así como los invito para el que quiera a hacer show dentro del nuevo estadio donde se va a poder volar y hacer un fun fly o lo que se quiera hacer.
LOCOTRON
03-08-2009, 07:07 PM
Mi estimado Alfredo:
En efecto, actualmente estoy cambiando el motor del fumigador Tauro (diseño Max Betancourt) para instalarle un G62 y poder remolcar cualquier planeador.
En toluca Howard Gómez con un Ugly Stick gigante (motor ZDZ 40 cc, creo) me remolcó varias veces sin incidentes con un planeador Ventus, de esos chinos baratos para probar.... total éxito, me encantó.
En este caso solo el planeador trae tow release pero estoy seguro que para evitar accidentes ambos deben tenerlo. Además debe de haber un weak link cerca del remolcador.
Estoy a punto de terminar un planeador ASW 17 de 3.8 metros de diseño propio (excepto por el fuselaje) que quiero remolcar.
¿Alguien mas está intentandolo?
¿Que experiencias han tenido?
alex ostos
04-08-2009, 09:23 AM
Ocupas un avión que pueda volar lento y con suficiente potencia en el motor como para tener tracción con autoridad y de los que mencionas el que más se acerca es la Cub. Lo que a mí me pondría nervioso es volar un avión en un lugar cerrado y con gente al rededor... bastante peligroso.
Alguna vez ví una fórmula para hacer que el letrero no se volteara con lastre cada cierta longitud, deja ver si tengo algo en mis ligas de respaldo y te paso el dato.
Te agradezco la ayuda con el letrero para que no se voletara; y no va a haber gente en las gradas del estadio, solo dentro del gimnasio, asi que no hay problema que se de en la madre arriba de alguien, pero que pena si se cae no.
LOCOTRON
22-10-2009, 02:06 PM
ME ENCONTRÉ UN PAR DE ARTÍCULOS ....
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Introduction to aerotowing
Model Airplane News (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3819/), May 2000 (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3819/is_200005/) by Garwood, Dave (http://findarticles.com/p/search/?qa=Garwood,%20Dave), Carmichael, Asher (http://findarticles.com/p/search/?qa=Carmichael,%20Asher), Lehman, Robin (http://findarticles.com/p/search/?qa=Lehman,%20Robin)
A TEAM APPROACH TO SAILPLANE LAUNCHES
Aerotowing is growing rapidly, both in interest and sophistication. The grace and majesty of a large-scale sailplane launched by aerotow-plus the unparalleled opportunity for cooperation and interaction between pilots of sailplanes and powered planes-has fueled an explosion in the number of pure aerotow events held in recent years in such diverse locations as Elmira, NY, Fayetteville, NC, Pensacola, FL, Los Banos, CA, Yakima, WA, and Ontario, Canada.
RC model aerotowing has come of age. For decades, it has been the most common way to launch full-scale sailplanes, and it is now recognized as the safest way to launch large, longspan, scale model sailplanes. This article seeks to illuminate the fundamental concepts needed by those new to aerotowing, so they may succeed on their first try at this cooperative endeavor.
AIRCRAFT SELECTION AND PREPARATION
Aerotowing works best for large sailplanes-those too big and heavy to be launched safely by winch. The practical minimum span for sailplanes is 3 meters, or about 120 inches. Towing a smaller sailplane will make you feel as though you have a tiger by the tail the whole way up. In addition to towing planes with spans of 3 meters or longer, you'll want to be confidently familiar with the flying characteristics of your sailplane. Beginning aerotow launches generate enough jitters without introducing the variable of an unfamiliar sailplane.
Towplanes come in many shapes and sizes, but high power, large size and high stability are good attributes. Here are some guidelines:
For gliders that weigh up to 10 pounds and have wingspans of 3 to 4 meters, a Hobby Lobby* Telemaster powered by a 1.08 O.S.* 2-stroke is at the low end of the spectrum, and a scale Wilga with a Brison* 4.2 is at the high end. The static thrust of the engine and propeller combination should be roughly equivalent to the weight of the towplane. For example, a Telemaster should pull about 13 to 15 pounds of thrust.
For 10- to 25-pound sailplanes with spans of 4 to 6 meters, the minimum is a Telemaster powered by a 35cc glow or 70cc gas engine. At the higher end is a 25pound towplane with 30 or more pounds of static thrust. A Byron* Husky powered by an O.S. 3.2 4-stroke or Brison 3.2 tows up to 'A-size sailplanes, as does a 1/2-scale Cub with an O.S. 1.60 twin or G-38.
Getting the sailplane ready for aerotow launch begins with fitting a towline release mechanism. A servo operates a commercially available or homemade mechanism wherein a wire captures a loop of line; advancing the wire captures the towline; withdrawing it releases the line.
The towline capture mechanism is mounted near the nose of the sailplane, although it does not have to be in the very tip of the nose. It is not mounted under the wing like a winch-launch towhook.
Scale sailplanes can use more scale-like release mechanisms that are available from suppliers such as Critter Bits*, Hobby Lobby* and Sailplanes Unlimited*. Note that both the sailplane and the towplane have towline releases; if the sailplane is unable to release for some reason, the towplane can release the line.
The towline typically includes clip devices at both ends so sailplane pilots can insert a string loop into their towline release devices in the "ready" area to save time on the flightline. A swivel reduces line twisting and tangling. Some tow pilots use a stretchy section to smooth shock loads on both aircraft; others do not. A flag at the sailplane end of the towline makes it easier to confirm at a distance that the sailplane has, in fact, released the line.
Towlines are made of about 150-pound test line, but they may contain an intentionally weak link section that's designed to break the line under stress (such as when one plane departs from controlled flight, and an intentional release is not or cannot be made).
Sometimes, a launching dolly or small wheeled cart is used, especially for training. The dolly holds the sailplane a foot off the ground, sets the wing angle of attack and fixes rotation about the three flight axes until the sailplane gets up to flight speed and gains control authority. Landing gear serve a similar purpose for the towplane. For the first few launches, the dolly makes the job easier for the sailplane pilot, as it controls some of the variables.
THE TOW PILOT
Key to success in aerotow operations is a tow pilot who is a smooth, accomplished flier with substantial flight time on the tow aircraft. He or she must be experienced in all phases of powered RC flight and must be utterly familiar with the towplane. It's helpful if the pilot has flown sailplanes as well. The tow pilot must be able to fly large, smooth circles while towing a sailplane at a steady rate of climb until both planes are nearly out of sight.
It sounds easy, but it isn't. Practice is important. Each sailplane has unique towing characteristics, and elevator trim on the towplane must be adjusted accordingly. The tow pilot's experience will allow him to not only fly his own plane but also to look out for the sailplane pilot, who may have less flying experience.
THE SAILPLANE PILOT
Moderate piloting skills are all that are needed for the sailplane pilot. He should be able to confidently launch and land the sailplane and fly it both away from and toward himself, and he should have enough experience to handle both a forward stall and a single-wing stall. Experience at flying the sailplane from a substantial distance away is most helpful.
The sailplane pilot's main job is to keep the sailplane's wings level and maintain the correct height above the towplane. The towline will yaw the sailplane, and banking in turns is not needed. Sometimes, outside rudder is needed on the sailplane to keep the towline taut. Following a towplane is easier with an aileron sailplane that has rudder uncoupled than it is with a polyhedral ship.
While on tow, the sailplane will be flying faster than it does on its own. Be prepared for the snappy control responses and the sailplane's newfound capability to get out of shape quickly. If you have highwind slope experience or powered flying experience, this will not be a surprise. In any case, stay alert while on tow, and fly the plane; don't let the plane fly you.
THE AEROTOW FLIGHT
The two pilots stand near each other throughout the tow so they can easily converse. The direction of the first turn should be established before takeoff. After a final radio check, the sailplane pilot advises the tow pilot that he's ready, and the tow pilot begins the takeoff run. The towline connecting the two planes is drawn tight. The tow pilot advances the throttle and begins the takeoff roll; the sailplane lifts off and begins flying first. When the towplane reaches takeoff speed, it lifts off.
As soon as both planes are up and flying, probably at about 50 to 75 feet altitude, the tow pilot should establish a gentle turn. It's important not to fly out too far before turning, as the planes become more difficult to see as they get farther away.
The tow pilot should fly large, gentle circles or figure-8s. The climb rate should be in accordance with the power of the towplane and the weight of the glider; shallow is usually better than steep. If the glider overtakes the towplane, then the tow pilot may increase his speed, or the glider pilot may feed in a little up-trim.
When cruising speed has been reached, the pilots begin a climbing turn, and the flight path on tow becomes a giant upward spiral (this ensures that the planes can still be seen). The towplane is the formation leader, of course, and the sailplane pilot flies slightly above the towplane to stay out of his wake. The sailplane flies turns of a larger radius than the sailplane to keep the towline taut.
The two planes may circle several times until the desired release altitude has been attained. At this point, the sailplane pilot declares he is ready to release, and he hits the release switch on his transmitter, drops the line and tells the tow pilot when he is off the towline. The tow pilot dives away from the sailplane, quickly loses altitude, lands and sets up for the next tow. The sailplane pilot begins the search for lift or begins an aerobatic routine.
Do not fly higher than you can see. This sounds obvious, but it's worth remembering, as a sort of "rapture of the deep" can produce an exhilaration that clouds judgment in this area. When in doubt, release the line and terminate the tow. You can always begin another one.
Robin Lehman, a highly experienced towplane and sailplane pilot, offers these procedures in case of premature release:
If you need to release the sailplane on takeoff, simply fly straight and land. If you release a little higher, fly a 180-degree turn and land downwind. If you release higher, you can do a short circuit and land upwind. If you release still higher, you're home free!
The result of aerotow teamwork is a sailplane launch that is higher, gentler and more aesthetic than a winch or bungee launch. The capability of this launching method to put your sailplane in any part of the sky and at any desired altitude generally starts a great soaring flight. When you're back on the ground, you'll want to try it again.
*Addresses are listed alphabetically in the Index of Manufacturers on page 134.
AEROTOW EVENTS
Pensacola Aerotow, Pensacola, FL, February. Asher Carmichael, (334) 6269141; acarmic985@aol.com; Rusty Rood, (850) 432-3743; fishon@aol.com.
Annual Aerotowing & Scale Sailplane Fun Fly, Fayetteville, NC, May 5 to 7. Bernie Coleman, (704) 846-5219; b1rdbernie@aol.com; Wayne Parrish, (919) 362-7150; Iwp42@aol.com.
Spring Airtow Fly-In, Dansville, NY, May 13 to 14. Robin Lehman, (716) 385-1495; sailplanes@worldnet.att.net.
Los Banos, CA, May 12 to 14. Www.sbss.org, or PO. Box 2012, Sunnyvale, CA 94087, or Joe Newland, 4081 847-1291.
Elmira Aerotow, Elmira, NY, June 7 to 10. John Derstine, (570) 596-4392; johnders@ptdinet; www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral (http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral) /lab/5739.
AMA Soaring Nationals, Muncie, IN, July 22 to 29. (765) 289-4236; www.modelaircraft.org (http://www.modelaircraft.org/).
Oakville Aerotow, Ontario, Canada, August 12 to 13; www.omfc.wg (http://www.omfc.wg/), or Frank Pilih, (416) 251-1619; mirlin@directnet.cam.
Cape Blanco Safari, Cape Blanco, OR, August 19 to 20. Mike Shaw, (541) 2692423; clubsos@mail.com.
Washington Scale Aerotow Fly-In, Union Gap, wA, August 26 to 27. Gene E. Cope, (509) 457-9017; gcope@ixpnet.com.
Fall Airtow Funny, Dansville, NY, September 23 to 24. Robin Lehman, (716) 385-1455; sailplanes@worldnet.att.net.
Triple Tree AeroTow 200, Greenville, SC, October 13 to 15. Eric Meyers, (864) 286-0740; emeyers@horizonhobby.com.
Note: if you plan to attend, please confirm event dates; not all dates were firm at press time.
RELATED WEBSITES
Academy of Model Aeronautics, www.modelaircraft.org (http://www.modelaircraft.org/) Bob Banka's Scale Model Research, www.imt.net/~ims/ (http://www.imt.net/%7Eims/) scale.html
Fatlion R/C Soaring Information, www.fatlion.com/sailplanes/sailplanes.html (http://www.fatlion.com/sailplanes/sailplanes.html)
League of Silent Flight, www.silentflight.org/ (http://www.silentflight.org/)
RPC Soaring Yellow Pages (at Planes, Wings and Things); www.planes-wings (http://www.planes-wings/) -things.com/links/links.htm
Scale Soaring Newsletter, www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/5 (http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/5) 739/tips.html
Sailplanes Unlimited, www.sailplanes.com (http://www.sailplanes.com/) (imported scale sailplanes and articles)
Calendar of events for scale sailplane enthusiasts, www.sailplanes.com (http://www.sailplanes.com/)
International Scale Soaring Association, www.soaringissa.org (http://www.soaringissa.org/)
John Derstine's Scale Soaring, www.geocities.cam/CapeCanaveral/Lab/5 (http://www.geocities.cam/CapeCanaveral/Lab/5) 739 (Elmira Aerotow coverage and articles)
Dave's Aircraft Works, www.davesaircraftworks.com (http://www.davesaircraftworks.com/) (EPP foam KA-6 scale aerotow trainer sailplane)
Model Aeronautics Association of Canada, www.maac.ca (http://www.maac.ca/)
VIDEOTAPES
"Aero-Towing"; $19.95--John Clarke, The Creative Image of New Hyde Park, 911 Covert Ave., New Hyde Park, NY 11040; (516) 775-4780; TCI@ix.netcom.com. (PAL and Secom formats also available at extra charge)
"Elmira Aerotow '97"; $19.95 (plus $3 S&H), and "Ultimate Scale Soaring '98"; $24.95 (plus $3 SlH-,John Derstine, RD 3, Box 366, Gillett, PA 16925; ejohnders@postoffice.pds.net.
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LukRos
04-01-2011, 11:18 AM
Para los que sepa de este pedo, tengo una duda.
Me dieron la tarea de pasar un avión con alguna manta o anuncio atrás de el, claramente remolcándolo.
Esto va a ser en la inauguración del gimnasio Rock Sport que va a estar dentro del nuevo estadio Santos Modelo Corona o como madres se vaya a llamar esta nueva cárcel para toda la naquiza santista; donde el mismo gimnasio tiene una pared de vidrio que da a toda la cancha del nuevo estadio Corona y ahí es donde va a pasar el avión con su anuncio atrás. Tengo aviones grandes que puedan hacer el trabajo, como un extra 42%, una piper 1/4 scala, extras 100 cc`s y 50 cc`s. ¿Qué me pueden recomendar para no darle en la madre al avión? ¿Se usan solo avionetas con mucha área alar? o un avion con mucho ceneno de motor?????
Alguien a parte de remolcar aviones ha remolcado anuncios???
Les agradecería su ayuda, así como los invito para el que quiera a hacer show dentro del nuevo estadio donde se va a poder volar y hacer un fun fly o lo que se quiera hacer.
Para remolcar anuncios:
http://www.ef-uk.net/data/tow-release.htm
hace 2 fines de semana, me puse a hacer un banner para remolcarlo y ver si jalaba, para luego intentar hacer algo mas grande,
lo remolque con un mini pulse xt y pues si funciono muy bien, hay un video tambien, pero lo subieron en el facebook, no en youtube, no se si se pueda ver aqui